only look 4 the specifications and emulators 4 it @ http://www.gp32emu.com
you can play SNES on it(and many more things... there are rumors about a GBA-emu 4 it but only private and not 4 downloading it) and watch divx movies or use it as MP3 player
I've looked on ebay 4 an used GP32 but there are none.... only new ones... so it must be good *smile* because no one that has one is trying to sell it!
I only think *WWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW* about it!
fuck off GBA! *hrhr*

No matter what, the gba will always be better than the gp32. The gp32 doesn't even have any commercial games fully cracked yet.

Well that's a bit of a dumb reply. How does the emulation status of the GP32 make it worse than the GBA?

I've looked on ebay 4 an used GP32 but there are none....
Bzzzt! Wrong! To prove you wrong, I did a search myself. Here's the link:
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&query=gp32&query2=gp32&search_option=1&exclude=&category0=&ebaytag1=ebayctry&ebaytag1code=0&ebaycurr=999&minPrice=&maxPrice=&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&st=
Currently 9 items, may decrement soon as autions are coming to and end.

I just forgot to mention that the gp32 doesn't have any really good games on it yet. I know that it's the most powerful handheld for now, but the gba still beats it in games.

I just forgot to mention that the gp32 doesn't have any really good games on it yet. I know that it's the most powerful handheld for now, but the gba still beats it in games.
didn't you know that some people are working on a GBA-emu for that handheld?

Bzzzt! Wrong! To prove you wrong, I did a search myself. Here's the link:
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&query=gp32&query2=gp32&search_option=1&exclude=&category0=&ebaytag1=ebayctry&ebaytag1code=0&ebaycurr=999&minPrice=&maxPrice=&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&st=
Currently 9 items, may decrement soon as autions are coming to and end.
no, I only looked @ www.ebay.de for it!
http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&maxRecordsPerPage=50&ebaytag1code=77&shortcut=4&query=gp32&query2=gp32&search_option=1&exclude=&category0=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&st=&region=0&SortProperty=MetaEndSort

...

That link brings up two GP32 auctions.

didn't you know that some people are working on a GBA-emu for that handheld?

I REALLY SERIOUSLY doubt GP32 has a fast enough CPU to emulate GBA.

My fscking 800MHz can't run VisualBoyAdvance with 0 frameskip at full speed.

I REALLY SERIOUSLY doubt GP32 has a fast enough CPU to emulate GBA.

My fscking 800MHz can't run VisualBoyAdvance with 0 frameskip at full speed.
Is visualBoyAdvance written in assembler only for your CPU?
no! so think about it, if it could be. I think it is possible!
the only problem could be the Ram with 8mb! GBA games usually have more than 4MB! but I think it is possible to load up the roms paticially!
on my old P2 233 with 32MB of ram i was able to play Zelda OoT on UltaHLE! not very smoothly, but it was playable at 3/4 of speed!

...

That link brings up two GP32 auctions.

yes, but I don't want new ones! i have no job at the moment, so i can only buy used ones for maybe the half price!
If I want a new one I would buy it at lik-sang!
there it is cheaper than on ebay!

Is visualBoyAdvance written in assembler only for your CPU?
no! so think about it, if it could be. I think it is possible!
the only problem could be the Ram with 8mb! GBA games usually have more than 4MB! but I think it is possible to load up the roms paticially!
on my old P2 233 with 32MB of ram i was able to play Zelda OoT on UltaHLE! not very smoothly, but it was playable at 3/4 of speed!

No author seriously expects to emulate the GBA at full speed. The SNES isn't even at full speed yet, and that's a lot less powerful (16-bit 3Mhz 65816 vs 32-bit 16Mhz ARM).

I REALLY SERIOUSLY doubt GP32 has a fast enough CPU to emulate GBA.

My fscking 800MHz can't run VisualBoyAdvance with 0 frameskip at full speed.
Well, a computer is very much unlike gba so hence it would require more power to emulate it...
what's the specs for the gp32? It can emulate snes and snes is, not equal but almost with some diffrences, so it should be able to run gba games too, although maybe not perfect (who knows on that?). I seriously doubt they put *real* hardware into it...it's basically emulating these systems.


no, I only looked @ www.ebay.de for it!
http://search.ebay.de/search/search...rty=MetaEndSort
Wrong again! All ebay mirrors from diffrent countries are linked together AFAIK. All auctions listed on .co.uk is available on .com and vice versa and so goes for all the mirrors. You probably just chose wrong search terms.

I thought about getting a GP32 then i found the Tapwave Zodiac, which hold much better prospect for emulation and a lot of big developers (like sega) are interested in it.

www.tapwave.com

Sound more reasonble but is probaly going to cost a lot, 350 usd for the 32Mb version...


Specs: http://www.tapwave.com/product/specifications.asp

Well, a computer is very much unlike gba so hence it would require more power to emulate it...
what's the specs for the gp32? It can emulate snes and snes is, not equal but almost with some diffrences, so it should be able to run gba games too, although maybe not perfect (who knows on that?). I seriously doubt they put *real* hardware into it...it's basically emulating these systems.

SNES is not equal to GBA hardware-wise at all. GBA games may not look much better overall, but the hardware is MUCH more sophisticated.

More sophisticated could mean it would have more problem emulating gba than snes...
but they about overall the same gfx.
However...
LONG LIVE THE SNES! YOU SHALL NEVER DIE!
:P I had to

More sophisticated could mean it would have more problem emulating gba than snes...
but they about overall the same gfx.
However...
LONG LIVE THE SNES! YOU SHALL NEVER DIE!
:P I had to

Actually, if you pick out certain cases, you can find examples of GBA doing a good deal more. For example, SNES can't scale/rotate sprites, while GBA can...

Anyone with a clue would wait for the new Sony handheld before shelling out $150 for one of those things. Some of the specs:

-UMD or Universal Media Device. This storage media is 60mm, about half the size of the traditional CD and has a capacity of 1.8GB. That's right GB. Expect massively complex, detailed gaming (for your handheld anyway). 2.4 inches.
-ATRAC encoding support (Sony's proprietary sound format used in their minidiscs). This could mean it will be a multi-media device.
-Graphics specs are also impressive: NURB technology for rendering with full 3D polygons.
-The unit's widescreen LCD screen (480x272, that's the coveted 16:9 ratio we all love) will be backlit.
-The unit's sound processing will feature full 3D sound, PCM, and will be "fully reconfigurable."
-MIPS 32-bit processor.
-Also, a secure ROM cartridge for anti-piracy efforts.
-Super-one-chip solution for graphics, sound, etc.
-Memory stick will be used for game saves. Also, for GPS functionality.
-Rechargeable battery.
-CPU: 90 nanometers with a clock speed TBD.
-USB 2.0 connection for talking to your PC, cellphone, even your PS2.
-Embedded RAM.
-Supports additional video codecs (other than MPEG 4.)
-We suspect that the PSP will also come equipped with an analog stick and, since the media is disc-based, it may also have a flip-top lid/cover

GP32 hmm... very good console but there's one big problem - games. How many games do this console have, 30? Maybe less.

GP32 hmm... very good console but there's one big problem - games. How many games do this console have, 30? Maybe less.

well if you count snes games.... try closer to 700. :)

i think that's the primary reason people get the gp32 anyway.

Anyone with a clue would wait for the new Sony handheld before shelling out $150 for one of those things. Some of the specs:



damn! that sounds awesome! i could store all my mp3s on it and everything! /me thinks about the audio in jack on his car stereo.....

DAMN!

what's the approx cost though :worry:

if it's more than $150, i doubt a handheld will ever be justifiably worth more than that... especially for those of us with multi person budgets....

;)

I've heard nothing of anything involving ROM cartridges on PSP.

And keep in mind, A. it's gonna be EXPENSIVE, and B. it's gonna have crap battery life.

Well of course it's going to be "expensive" considering how much more powerful and functional it is that the GBA... but I doubt it'll be something like the Neo Geo where no one can afford it. I'd guess it'll be $300 to start and drop down 6 months later. And sure you won't get insane battery life like with the original Game Boy, but it's rechargeable and if it gets 8 hours, that's all you really need for one day.

Well of course it's going to be "expensive" considering how much more powerful and functional it is that the GBA... but I doubt it'll be something like the Neo Geo where no one can afford it. I'd guess it'll be $300 to start and drop down 6 months later. And sure you won't get insane battery life like with the original Game Boy, but it's rechargeable and if it gets 8 hours, that's all you really need for one day.

8 hours? That's almost what GBA-SP gets with the light on all the time. Don't count on it. GBA-SP has a smaller screen, frontlit not backlit, and doesn't have to spin a disc drive.

well you can emulate on the fscking gba anyways ( i can run NES and SMS/GG flawlessly)
and i am not buying the PSP not now nor never, i hate sony! DIE! :term:
i am waiting till nintendo retalliates with something cooler, but if they screw up again and go cartridge based for "quicker load times bla bla" i am getting a PSP fer sure
the gp32doesn't have many commercial games tho, that is what dettered me

and i am not buying the PSP not now nor never, i hate sony! DIE!
i am waiting till nintendo retalliates with something cooler,

Ok... nice attitude.


but if they screw up again and go cartridge based for "quicker load times bla bla" i am getting a PSP fer sure

Erm, so you go from not getting a PSP ever to getting one for sure in one post... wow

well you can emulate on the fscking gba anyways ( i can run NES and SMS/GG flawlessly)
and i am not buying the PSP not now nor never, i hate sony! DIE! :term:
i am waiting till nintendo retalliates with something cooler, but if they screw up again and go cartridge based for "quicker load times bla bla" i am getting a PSP fer sure
the gp32doesn't have many commercial games tho, that is what dettered me

Well, first off, GBA uses cartridges because systems designed purely for 2D don't exactly NEED more than 8-16MB storage. Even most 2D Saturn games' data tracks tend to be small, except ones which are VERY cinematic-heavy. :flowers:

Second, a new cartridge technology is almost ready which supports storage of 512MB and higher, almost matching CD storage and in a few steps up, exceeding it... which should also be more than enough for a handheld system. And before anyone asks, I'll answer that the new 512MB ROMs will be slightly cheaper than today's 8MB GBA ROMs.

Assuming Nintendo or someone came out with a 32-bit portable system with these 512MB cartridges, I would still prefer the PSP's 1.8 GIG minidiscs that support MPEG-4 and other codecs... I mean we're talking about a PSX-quality portable gaming system (actually more powerful) that also plays full-length DVD-quality movies on a perfect-sized widescreen LCD. The thing would be perfect for travelling.

Assuming Nintendo or someone came out with a 32-bit portable system with these 512MB cartridges, I would still prefer the PSP's 1.8 GIG minidiscs that support MPEG-4 and other codecs... I mean we're talking about a PSX-quality portable gaming system (actually more powerful) that also plays full-length DVD-quality movies on a perfect-sized widescreen LCD. The thing would be perfect for travelling.

The carts also support higher than 512MB. Current projections say up to 1GB will be available right away and 2GB isn't much of a stretch.

And believe it or not, even GBA could use those 512MB ROMs (they're 'backwards-compatible' and GBA is capable of addressing that much memory)... and homebrewn authors have already demonstrated actual prerendered video running on GBA, at full res (240x160).

Anyway, you'd prefer a battery-sucking, slow loading format to a comparable low-power random-access format?

the real ice breaker over this new cart format will be cost

the real ice breaker over this new cart format will be cost

From the post before my previous post in this very thread:


And before anyone asks, I'll answer that the new 512MB ROMs will be slightly cheaper than today's 8MB GBA ROMs.

From the post before my previous post in this very thread:

my point was that the PSP disc based technology vs your new cart technology (which I have never heard of!) will succeed based on which is cheapest :P

Anyone with a clue would wait for the new Sony handheld before shelling out $150 for one of those things. Some of the specs:

-UMD or Universal Media Device. This storage media is 60mm, about half the size of the traditional CD and has a capacity of 1.8GB. That's right GB. Expect massively complex, detailed gaming (for your handheld anyway). 2.4 inches.
UMD isn't totally unheard of...afaik, the gamecube uses that storage perfecly.


-ATRAC encoding support (Sony's proprietary sound format used in their minidiscs). This could mean it will be a multi-media device.
-Graphics specs are also impressive: NURB technology for rendering with full 3D polygons.
-The unit's widescreen LCD screen (480x272, that's the coveted 16:9 ratio we all love) will be backlit.
-The unit's sound processing will feature full 3D sound, PCM, and will be "fully reconfigurable."
-MIPS 32-bit processor.
-Also, a secure ROM cartridge for anti-piracy efforts.
-Super-one-chip solution for graphics, sound, etc.
-Memory stick will be used for game saves. Also, for GPS functionality.


-Rechargeable battery.
That's no problem; I have such batteries already.


-CPU: 90 nanometers with a clock speed TBD.
-USB 2.0 connection for talking to your PC, cellphone, even your PS2.
-Embedded RAM.
-Supports additional video codecs (other than MPEG 4.)
-We suspect that the PSP will also come equipped with an analog stick and, since the media is disc-based, it may also have a flip-top lid/cover
But this thing draws an awful amount of power as taringeth said..
You'd have to about power it up every day...and a charge takes an awful amount of time.
Yet well...it's somewhat ok, but they could still try to cut down on the power...

hmm this psp thing sounds cool, but also a bit to cool for me,like someone was dreaming on a forum (i know its true and sony said this) but who needs such a system yet? the gba is the worlds bestselling system now and it has good games and only 16mhz... who needs a psp now? i think a system like the gp32, perhaps with a gpu or somethin would be enough for a next step in handheld gaming...
i wonder how sony will fit all this crazy stuff in one single handheld, which should be still not to big and noisy, also i dont think that you could use the 1,8 GB for you own stuff, i think they are special format and only sony stuff can be readed first! so nothing about emus, or unofficial media players or games... since i dont think sony will release a sdk for it like gamepark for their console... i have a gp32 and i love it, watching small divx movies on it and listening to mp3s is great, also i love playing gbc, nes, PCE on it... their are so much possibilitys... and if it comes in the end to europe their will be gba ports, so i dont worry about good commercial games...

Who really needs 3D-sound in a Handheld system?
Who really needs so many polygons on such a small screen?
Nobody has seen a pic of this PSP! Who knows if you don't have to carry a bag on your shoulders only for the battery pack of this PSP?
it has a 3d graphics-accelerator inside... and it's almost as powerful as the PS2 (if you only look at the specs) fine... but i don't want to play 3d-games on such a small screen!

To me, the PSP makes no sense, I'd never play 3D games on a handheld. The reason I got a GBA was to get away from 3D graphics for a change. The screen is too small as said before, and the resolution won't be that good and the disks will likely be filled with FMV as developers simply cannot fill the space up.

If 3D, battery-guzzling handhelds like this suceed, I'll have to wait until Microwave Ovens develop sufficiently to play 2D games.

The only "3D"-game i own on GBA is mariokart! *smile*

I was looking around about the battery life and you guys are right to some degree... current estimates are about 5 hours of battery life. Even so, you'd have to be insanely hardcore to be using this thing on average more than 5 hours a day exclusively in places that don't have a power outlet... and even if you used it 9 hours one day, I'm sure you can just stick another rechargeable battery in it. And as long as it's relatively compact, which is expected, that's the main thing. Portable devices are best for travelling (otherwise just get a PS2) and you can always use an AC adapter if you're on a plane or in a car. So I'm just waiting to hear the dimensions and weight of the PSP (and price) to figure out I'f I'll get one.

What's wrong with sony trying to go up a few levels in handheld gaming. The psp might have a small screen, but you'll never know how good it is until you try it. I for one believe that it will be a breakthrough in handheld gaming.

The screen size is supposed to be 4.5" across (horizontal, not diagnol) at the 16:9 widescreen format... that's 3X the size of the GBA screen. Many of the portable DVD players are 5" across, so it will be big enough to watch movies or play games without squinting.

Portable devices are best for travelling (otherwise just get a PS2) and you can always use an AC adapter if you're on a plane or in a car. So I'm just waiting to hear the dimensions and weight of the PSP (and price) to figure out I'f I'll get one.
i don't think that u can use it in a plane... it has a diskdrive, so it can't be used there! (as far as i know)

I for one believe that it will be a breakthrough in handheld gaming.
I don't think so!
I will never spend more than 100€ only for a handheld-system!(i think many others are thinking like me)
for this money i can get a gamecube! no way!

The screen size is supposed to be 4.5" across (horizontal, not diagnol) at the 16:9 widescreen format... that's 3X the size of the GBA screen. Many of the portable DVD players are 5" across, so it will be big enough to watch movies or play games without squinting.
LOL! then it is no handheld-system IMO!
a handheld system is: you can carry it everywhere you want in your pants!
not in a bag on your shoulders!

so this is just like psone with a lcd-screen (much to big!)

The screen size is supposed to be 4.5" across (horizontal, not diagnol) at the 16:9 widescreen format... that's 3X the size of the GBA screen. Many of the portable DVD players are 5" across, so it will be big enough to watch movies or play games without squinting.

No, 4.5" diagonal. Don't know where you heard across.

For comparison, most of the screens you can get for consoles are 5" diagonal.


I was looking around about the battery life and you guys are right to some degree... current estimates are about 5 hours of battery life. Even so, you'd have to be insanely hardcore to be using this thing on average more than 5 hours a day exclusively in places that don't have a power outlet... and even if you used it 9 hours one day, I'm sure you can just stick another rechargeable battery in it. And as long as it's relatively compact, which is expected, that's the main thing. Portable devices are best for travelling (otherwise just get a PS2) and you can always use an AC adapter if you're on a plane or in a car. So I'm just waiting to hear the dimensions and weight of the PSP (and price) to figure out I'f I'll get one.

I don't want to have to recharge the battery all the bloody time... I like not having to think about my GBA's battery life until it's effectively dead, a good 15 hours of play later. =)

Well if it's 4.5" diagnol, then it's bigger than 4.5" horizontal, which is good news. And if you want something that fits in your pocket that you can play on the bus, then get the new GBA (the original won't fit in your pocket). But for people who travel that want PSX-quality games and want to watch movies, then the PSP is what to get. And if there's a way to convert PSX games that you already own onto minidisc and play them on the PSP.... mmmm dreaming... doubt this would happen with the copy protection. I think this PSP is going to be smaller than people expect... otherwise one of those super-mini notebook computers would match it in every way (size, play DVDs, features, game quality) and Sony's not stupid, so the PSP's going to be very portable.

And with this whole "size matters" thing, I really don't like watching these tiny dots move around on the GBA's tiny screen, especially on the bus or subway. I'd rather play Mahjong/Solitare/Pente or something on my Palm Pilot.

Bah. If you concentrate on the game on the gba enuff, then it'll become just as if it was a big screen. I know as I've tested.

Forget all of you, get a GBA and a flash linker, or better yet, wait for the Tapwave Zodiac to come out! It's going to have enough power to EMUALTE a GBA on a handheld PC! Plus other systems! Plus, the GP32 has a very low original game count, AND! all its games are korean! I now pronounce you all owned! hohoho!

Oh now I'm really excited.... 2D graphics.... cool!!!!! Oh wait... that was like 15 years ago when the Sega Genesis came out... little retro flashback....

Snes of handheld! Talk about neat!
I couldn't care less if there are few original games or if they're in korean. It still matters that you can actually play snes games, which isn't korean! And other systems, too!

hmm im to lazy to read all this new posts,so i dont know if this has benn allready posted, but here is a pic of the psp... its just a concept thing, and perhaps it will never look like this when its released, but who cares!
LOOK:
http://nils.thiele.free.fr/psp.jpg
bye!

ok people, lets continue this PSP stuff in the new dedicated PSP thread, this is now way off topic

http://www.emutalk.net/showthread.php?threadid=16976

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